Where Did God And The Universe Come From? [Mormon Church Sources]

Let us start with a well-known (in the Mormon church) saying by a very prominent woman in the early days of the church.

"The Spirit of the Lord rested mightily upon me-the eyes of my understanding were opened, and I saw as clear as the sun at noonday, with wonder and astonishment, the pathway of God and man. I formed the following couplet which expresses the revelation, as it was shown me….

As man now is, God once was:
As God now is, man may be"
Eliza R. Snow
Snow, Eliza R. Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo Snow. Salt Lake City, 1884


Our relationship with God is not "Master Versus Slave" but rather it is a "Father who loves His children" relationship. And as one of our children can become like us, we (as literal children of God) can become like God.

But let us look at an even larger view as we try to grasp the very beginning of all things.

The "Big Bang" is a very well-accepted theory of science. The "Cosmic Microwave Background" discovery, for which two Nobel Prizes were awarded, provides solid scientific evidence of the Big Bang!!!
Science Channel: How The Universe Works

Of course, the atheists and evolutionists claim there is no God and that the Big Bang happened, but the explosion was an accident!!

But what if we ignore the atheists and evolutionists and look at the words of the prophets. What do the prophets say about the Big Bang and what might have happened before the Big Bang!!

This is a quote from Brigham Young:

  • Many have tried to penetrate to the First Cause of all things; but it would be as easy for an ant to number the grains of sand on the earth. It is not for man, with his limited intelligence, to grasp eternity in his comprehension ... It would be as easy for a gnat to trace the history of man back to his origin as for man to fathom the First Cause of all things, lift the veil of eternity, and reveal the mysteries that have been sought after by philosophers from the beginning.

While the "First Cause" of all things would not have been the creation of God, there is a strong implication that God existed LONG. LONG, LONG, LONG BEFORE OUR UNIVERSE EXISTED!!!!

Relative to these things, the "planet" or "star" Kolob is the nearest planet or star to the thrown of God. In the Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 3:3 states:

  • "And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest."

In other words, Heavenly Father does not live on Kolob, but it is one of the governing planets (i.e. the people on Kolob include very powerful Gods, but not Heavenly Father).

This is from one of the hymns in the Latter-Day Saint (i.e. Mormon) hymnbook:

1) "If you could hie to Kolob
In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward
With that same speed to fly,
D'ye think that you could ever,
Through all eternity,
Find out the generation
Where Gods began to be?

2) "Or see the grand beginning,
Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation,
Where Gods and matter end?
Me-thinks the Spirit whispers,
No man has found "pure space,"
Nor seen the outside curtains,
Where nothing has a place.

3) "The works of God continue,
And worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression
Have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter;
There is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit;
There is no end to race."

4) There is no end to virtue;
There is no end to might;
There is no end to wisdom;
There is no end to light.
There is no end to union;
There is no end to youth;
There is no end to priesthood;
There is no end to truth.

5) There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.
There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.
Text: William W. Phelps, 1792-1872

(LDS Hymns, No. 257)

Even though William W. Phelps, a close friend of the prophet Joseph Smith, died many years before the discovery of the fact that our sun is very small part of a massive galaxy and that our galaxy is a very small part of our Universe, and there may be many, many Universes, the poem does not need any changes for these facts!!!

We do not know if the planet we live on was created by the first Big Bang or the billionth Big Bang. But more importantly, the Big Bang we live in (which I am sure has a name and a number for God's purposes) WILL NOT BE THE LAST!!! That is precisely what the above poem is saying!!

Turning to the past, if God existed long before the Big Bang, it is easy to comprehend that God could have directed His Beloved Son, Jesus Christ, to design and execute the Big Bang.

But there are contemporary quotes which claim that is exactly what happened!! The late Elder Marion G. Romney taught this:

  • “Jesus Christ, in the sense of being its Creator and Redeemer, is the Lord of the whole universe. Except for his mortal ministry accomplished on this earth, his service and relationship to other worlds and their inhabitants are the same as his service and relationship to this earth and its inhabitants. …

    “… In short, Jesus Christ, through whom God created the universe, was chosen to put into operation throughout the universe Elohim’s great plan ‘to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man’—the gospel of Jesus Christ—the only way whereby man can obtain eternal life” (“Jesus Christ: Lord of the Universe,” Improvement Era, Nov. 1968, 46, 48; see also D&C 76:19–24).

The late Elder Bruce R. McConkie, who was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, said this:

  • We worship the great God who created the universe. He is our Father in heaven. We came into being because of him; we are his spirit children. We dwelt with him in a premortal life in a family relationship. We knew him as intimately and as well as we know our mortal fathers in this sphere of existence.” ("How to Worship," Brigham Young University Speeches of the Year [July 20, 1971], 2).

These quotes imply that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ existed before our Universe existed!! They also imply that our spirits existed long, long before people normally think they did!!

For example, it is clear that we (i.e. YOU AND I) existed BEFORE Jesus Christ was chosen to be the Savior of this world!!

In fact, you and I voted for Jesus Christ to be the Savior of this world before He was chosen to be the Savior of the world. Of course, we do not remember this event, but it happened at what is called the "Grand Council." Here is an article on the Grand Council:
Article: The Grand Council

Yes, we existed and voted for Christ even before Adam and Eve were put on this earth!!!

But let's go back even further:

  • We believe that God is a personal being. By a personal being, we mean that he is a man—an exalted man. Approximately one hundred years ago, soon after Lorenzo Snow became a member of the true Church of Jesus Christ, he formulated a remarkable couplet which has since that time become famous. He said: "As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become." (Lorenzo Snow, The Millennial Star 54:404.) Time and time again during the period of the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Prophet Joseph Smith, various evidences were given to him sustaining, amplifying, and explaining the personality of God. If time would permit, many excellent quotations could be cited from the D&C which would help to describe the personality of our Eternal Father. However, I would like on this occasion to quote a statement taken from a great sermon which was given by the Prophet Joseph shortly before his death. This quotation is a continuation of the statement I have already quoted from the Prophet. To use his exact words:

    It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of as all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did . . .

    I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth . . .

    God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instructions from, and walked, talked and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-346.)
    http://scriptures.byu.edu/gettalk.php?ID=351

In fact, there are almost certainly many, many Universes as space has no end.

Is it credible to claim, from a scientific perspective, that God existed before the Big Bang??? Actually, IT IS OBVIOUS BASED ON SOLID SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

The reason it is obvious is because of the discovery of DNA and the many discoveries about DNA since it was discovered in 1953. These could only have been designed and created by a massive, massive intelligence!!!

And the reason is permutations. You cannot "accidentally" design DNA. You have to "write it" like a computer programmer would write the source code for a computer program. The DNA of all species contains the instructions to create that species from a single fertilized egg and many carefully designed cell divisions.

For example, the difference between a bonobo and a human being is the sequence of cell divisions which are controlled by the DNA and by the spirit.

The sequence of nucleotides on the DNA of all species, which control cell divisions, could not have been created by random accidents (i.e. evolution)!!!

As is mentioned on other pages, if all of the DNA, of all of the species on this planet, male and female where applicable, were laid end-to-end, there would be about one quadrillion nucleotides.

There is not a snowballs chance in hell that this much DNA could have been created by accident within a quadrillion quadrillion years. It would be mathematically inane to claim otherwise.

If accidents had created this much DNA there would be massively more mutated and dead animals (whose DNA was not good enough to create a new animal species that could live long enough to have offspring) than there are atoms in billions and billions of Universes!!!

But how long would it have taken God to develop the intelligence to design and sequence the DNA for more than a million species, many with both a male and female!!!

God had to be created before DNA was designed and sequenced. In other words, God had to be massively, massively more sophisticated than DNA!! And it would have taken a long, long time for God to develop that much Intelligence.

All of this adds a great deal of credibility to the quote of Brigham Young above!!!

Let us for a moment, think about a yardstick which is divided into a million segments of equal time (instead of 36 inches). This yardstick covers the time from the "first cause of all things" until today. It is quite possible that the Big Bang occurred, not in the first segment, but in the one-millionth segment, the same segment we now live in!!!

And this yardstick has no end after the millionth segment!!!!

It makes perfect sense to claim that God existed long before, not only the creation of DNA, but also long before the creation of the entire Universe.

And God had to exist long before the Big Bang if He, through His beloved Son Jesus Christ, created this Universe via the Big Bang. It makes one wonder how many Universes might exist!!

Another reason this is obvious is that the Big Bang simply could not have happened by accident. It had to be the result of careful planning and an incredible execution plan by a God whose Intelligence is far beyond our comprehension.

Let me be a little humorous: "Whoever lit the fuse for the Big Bang had to run really, really fast after he lit the fuse!!!"

Yet, our spirits are the children of this God. Our potential is unlimited as we will live forever. But we first need to get past the test of this life.


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