The Grand Council

Before Adam and Eve were put on this earth, there was a gigantic meeting which involved Heavenly Father and all of His children who would live on this planet, including you!! The meeting was called the Grand Council, but it is also known as the Council In Heaven.

The meeting was about Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation and who would be the Savior of the world, among many other issues.

  • The Creation, the Fall, mortality, the Atonement, the Resurrection, and the Final Judgment were contemplated and explained in the council (TPJS, p. 220, 348-50; MD, pp. 163-64; see also First Estate). The plan anticipated mistakes from inexperience and sin and provided remedies. Many spirits were foreordained to specific roles and missions during their mortal experience, conditional upon their willingness and faithfulness in the premortal sphere and their promised continued faithfulness upon the earth. The Prophet Joseph Smith explained, "Every man who has a calling to minister to the inhabitants of the world was ordained to that very purpose in the Grand Council of heaven before this world was. I suppose I was ordained to this very office in that Grand Council" (TPJS, p. 365; cf. 1 Pet. 1:20; Jer. 1:5; Abr. 3:22-23).
    BYU Website - Council In Heaven

Three of the key people in that council, other than Heavenly Father, were Jehovah (i.e. Jesus Christ), Lucifer (i.e. satan) and Adam.

As a minimum, both Jehovah and Lucifer proposed plans to be accepted by the Father.

Jehovah's plan (i.e. Christ's plan) was a plan of free agency and no claim was made by Christ that all of Heavenly Father's children would be saved.

Lucifer's plan (i.e. satan's plan) was a plan of compulsion (there would be no free agency) and his plan guaranteed to save all men and women without losing a single soul.

Another major participant in this massive meeting was Adam, also known as Michael. Michael was essentially the Chief General of Jehovah. It is likely that it was Adam who physically cast Lucifer and his followers out of the Grand Council.

Heavenly Father chose the plan of Christ (see Moses chapter 4 in the Pearl of Great Price which is linked to below). Instead of accepting the decision of Heavenly Father, Lucifer rebelled and took a "third part" of those at the Grand Council with him. This would have been roughly 30 BILLION spirits!!!! The punishment for following Lucifer was that his followers would never receive physical bodies even though they would be on this planet.

In addition, Adam and Eve were chosen to be the parents of all mankind. Adam was a great prophet, second only to Christ in priesthood authority according to Joseph Smith.

  • Although Lucifer made a false offer of salvation without individual responsibility, he gained many followers, and "war in heaven" ensued. Michael, the archangel (who later was Adam), led the "forces" of Jehovah in a battle for the loyalties of the Father's spirit children. The exact nature of this war is not detailed in the scriptures, but there can be little doubt that it involved the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ and how mankind was to be saved. The Prophet Joseph Smith explained, "The contention in heaven was-Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the devil said he could save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favor of Jesus Christ. So the devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down, with all who put up their heads for him" (TPJS, p. 357). Lucifer and his followers, who were "a third part of the hosts of heaven" (Rev. 12:4; D&C 29:36), made open warfare against the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost, and the eternal Plan of Salvation and were cast down to earth (cf. Jude 1:6), eternally deprived of being born into mortality with physical bodies, and never to have salvation (TPJS, pp. 181, 297-98). So tragic was the fall of Lucifer that "the heavens wept over him" (D&C 76:26). Known on earth as Satan or the devil, Lucifer and his followers still continue the war against the work and the people of God, being permitted to do so to give people opportunity to exercise agency, being "enticed by the one or the other" (2 Ne. 2:16-25). They will persist until the day of judgment, when Michael, the archangel, and his armies will ultimately prevail and cast them out forever (D&C 88:111-115).
    BYU Website - War In Heaven

In this chapter (in the Book of Moses, in the Pearl of Great Price) is a little about the Grand Council and the story of Adam and Eve partaking of the forbidden fruit and being cast out of the Garden of Eden:
Pearl of Great Price: Moses 4

As part of the plan, it was necessary for Adam and Eve to "fall" so that mankind could have free agency to make their own decisions:

Here are other verses on the war in heaven:

  • 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael [i.e. Adam] and his angels fought against the dragon [i.e. satan who is frequently called Lucifer]; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    Revelations 12:7-9

One of the questions I wondered about was who physically cast Lucifer and his followers out of the Grand Council?? While the answer is probably Michael (i.e. Adam), if Michael was the one, Michael used the power of Jehovah to do it. Moses 4:3-4 says:

  • 3 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
    4 And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.
    Pearl of Great Price: Moses 4:3-4

Note that verse 3 does not say that "mine Only Begotton" cast satan out of the Grand Council, it says that "by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down." As Michael was and still is the Savior's top general, it likely would have been Michael and his forces who cast Lucifer (and his followers) out of heaven. Many, many billions of people followed Lucifer!!! Possibly more than 30,000,000,000 spirits followed Lucifer as I mentioned above!!

However, I have not seen any authoritative statement which specifically says who physically cast satan and his followers out of the Grand Council. But the evidence is pretty overwhelming that it was Adam/Michael and his forces.

See also: Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28.


Satan and the Theory of Evolution

So what does all of this have to do with the theory of evolution? A lot!!!

Because Adam and his forces were the likely force that cast Lucifer and his followers out of heaven, and because Michael/Adam was Jehovah's top general, Lucifer hates Adam and Lucifer wants people to not even believe that Adam and Eve ever existed!!

This is one of the key goals of the theory of evolution and is a major indication that satan/Lucifer is the major author of this "theory"!! The theory of evolution was designed to eliminate a belief in God (Heavenly Father), Christ (i.e. Jehovah), and Adam and Eve by saying that God does not exist and that humans "evolved" from primates!!

1) Lucifer wants people to believe that God does not exist (at the core of the theory of evolution).
2) Lucifer wants people to believe that Christ was not the son of God (at the core of the theory of evolution).
3) Lucifer wants people to believe that we are not descended from Adam and Eve, but that we are descended from bonobos or some other primate (this eliminates a belief in God or Adam and Eve which is the very core of the theory of evolution today)!!!

I should note that the atheists and evolutionists cannot deny that Jesus Christ was a real person because there are ample documents, other than the Bible, that date back to almost the time of Christ, which mention His life. So the only thing they can say is that Christ was not the Savior of the world (but He is the Savior).

The atheists and evolutionists also cannot deny that the flood of Noah (Noah, also known as the angel Gabriel, was next to Adam in priesthood authority according to LDS documents) was a real event because there is a massive amount of scientific evidence that there was a flood!!! The evangelicals, such as Ken Ham, have done an excellent job of proving there was a flood and that Noah's ark was real.

There is an entire article on this topic:
Article: Why The Theory Of Evolution Attacks Adam And Eve


More Filters Of God's Children

There may have been one or more filters even before the Grand Council that we don't know about yet!!!

Even though we passed the Grand Council test, we will have more tests while we live on this planet!!!! Mortality is definitely a filter after the Grand Council filter!!!!

Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Caligula, etc. all passed the Grand Council filter or they would not have had physical bodies, but they will obviously be filtered out on Judgment Day!!!

Remember, every evil person who has or will live in mortality on this planet voted for Christ in the Grand Council!!!

Do you get the feeling that in order for anyone to return to live with Heavenly Father they must pass through multiple filters!!!

For Latter-Day Saints: I will simply say that there are potentially very powerful filters even in the spirit world (after a person dies they will still live on this planet, but as spirits only - those with physical bodies cannot see those in the spirit world but those in the spirit world can see us)!!!

Why do I point this out??

Every person who has ever lived on this planet, who has died and has not been resurrected, is in the spirit world!! This includes every evil person who has ever lived and died (e.g. Hitler) and has not been resurrected. But going into the spirit world does not change anyone's character!!! Evil people in the physical world (where we now live) will almost certainly be evil people in the spirit world.

While murder is not possible in the spirit world (spirits cannot die), there is certainly adultery in the spirit world!!! For example, if a wife is in love with her husband and children in mortality; when she dies, and goes into the spirit world away from her family, she may not be prepared for the temptations in the spirit world!!!

People who excel in the mortal world can fail miserably in the spirit world!!!

For Latter-Day Saints: The wicked people in the spirit world (perhaps whether they were wicked before the spirit world or not), will likely go to the Telestial Kingdom, and will not be resurrected until after burning in hell during the thousand years of the Millennium!!!!

Here is an excellent article on the topic of the Millennium and the degrees of glory:
Article: Degrees of Glory

I will also mention that there is a massive amount of missionary work going on in the spirit world, so for some people there are opportunities to progress in the spirit world and there are also opportunities in the spirit world for people to dig a deeper hole for them on Judgment Day!!!

"The final resurrection, or resurrection of the unjust, will occur at the end of the Millennium. In the words of the apocalypse, 'the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished' (Rev. 20:5). This last resurrection will include those destined for the telestial glory and perdition." See:
Article: Resurrection

In short, those going to the Celestial or Terrestrial kingdoms will be resurrected at the beginning of the Millennium and will stay on this planet!!! Those going to the Telestial kingdom will burn in hell for 1,000 years on some other planet. The Sons of Perdition will burn in hell forever but I do not know their location.

In fact, many others will be filtered out because of a concept in the Bible that I call: "Murder by not living the Golden Rule!!" This concept comes from the Bible: Luke 16:19-31, which is the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man was filtered out!! Why?? The rich man did not beat Lazarus yet the rich man went to hell. Why? I call the reason he went to hell: murder by not living the Golden Rule!! The beggar died because the rich man ignored him even though the rich many probably saw Lazarus every day (Lazarus sat by his gate).

So think of our existence as a sequence of filters. When will the filters end for everyone?? Probably when we are resurrected. When we are resurrected we will have a permanent body and we will likely know all things.

But I should also mention that there are some "good filters" which pull people who are too good for this planet directly into heaven!!! Some religions have taught that those who die before the age of 8 go to hell, but in fact those who die before the age of 8 where too holy and too pure to behold the ways of man and thus God does not allow them to long enough to behold the evil that exists on this planet!!!

In other words, some will be filtered out because they were too good to behold the ways of evil men!! These are those who die before the age of 8 or they never attain the mentality and maturity of someone who lives to the age of 8 (e.g. the severely mentally retarded). They are guaranteed Celestial glory, but it is not clear where they go when they die!!!

So there have been, and may yet be many more filters. Some may filter people down to hell and other filters may lift people up into heaven.


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Spirits cannot be created or destroyed, so our spirits have existed forever already!!! So there was an eternity of time even before the Grand Council!! We do not know if there were any "filters" before the Grand Council, but there may have been many filters to even get to the Grand Council!!! We just don't know.

Here is a scholarly article for Latter-Day Saints on the subject of the Grand Council, etc. etc.
"Ye Really Are Gods": A Response to Michael Heiser concerning the LDS Use of Psalm 82 and the Gospel of John


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