The Spirit World And Potential Inequities In The Spirit World

In this article I will talk about the spirit world, which is where all of us will go when we die. The spirit world is basically on this planet, though spirits have much more abilities to go places than mortals do. Without using a space ship I suspect they can go to the moon or Mars (I would not go to Venus because it is probably pretty hot).

I will not teach any doctrines about the spirit world that are not already fully understood by members and scholars of the LDS/Mormon church. But what I will do is talk about a potent very serious inequity which can occur to some people who are in the spirit world. I consider this potential inequity to be a serious enough issue to write an article about it.

So let's get started.

If I were to ask any scholar in the LDS church, or just about anyone else in the church, what the phrase: "endure to the end" means, just about everyone would give the same answer: "endure to the end" means to keep the commandments until you die. The phrase "end" therefore means until you die in mortality.

But I disagree!!! I think that we need to keep the commandments even in the spirit world and that people can commit serious sins in the spirit world that can potentially drop them from the Celestial Kingdom at the time of their death all the way down to the Telestial Kingdom at the time of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (which is also known as Judgment Day)!!!

So while most scholars in the church would define the word "end" to mean death, I consider the word "end" to mean the Second Coming of Christ. The difference between these two "ends" is what goes on in the spirit world!!!

But that is just part of the issues. Another issue is that not everyone who goes into the spirit world will have an equal opportunity to progress in the spirit world!!!

If you knew what I know, and that is precisely what I will talk about in this article, you would define the term "endure to the end" to mean: keep the commandments until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ!!!

So what is the difference between these two definitions?? The difference is the spirit world!!!

When we die we go into the "spirit world." Many LDS scholars look at the spirit world as a place of rest, though all would agree that there is a massive amount of missionary work to do in the spirit world.

But in fact, the spirit world can also be a place of serious temptation for some members of the church, but not all!!!

And that is precisely what I will talk about in this article: some members of the church are not tempted at all in the spirit world while other members of the church are very seriously tempted in the spirit world!!!

Some people will drop from being qualified for the Celestial Kingdom (at the time of their death) all the way down to the Telestial Kingdom by the time of the Second Coming of Christ (i.e. Judgment Day) because of what they do in the spirit world!!!

But it is the differences in the temptations in the spirit world that are what this article is about. These differences are precisely what I call: "inequities!!!

I have read that spirits in the spirit world cannot commit the unpardonable sin (i.e. become a Son of Perdition) in the spirit world. I don't know if this is true, but it may be true.

But it is obvious that a person cannot commit murder in the spirit world because spirits cannot die. Sorry Hitler.

As far as I know there is no mass media in the spirit world. Sorry Goebbels.

And a person cannot be confined to a jail because they could easily get out of it.

So let us begin.

If you look at the Ten Commandments the commandment right after murder is adultery. Because a person cannot commit murder in the spirit world, this makes adultery and the preaching of false doctrines as perhaps the two most serious sins that can be committed in the spirit world!!!

But there is far more to this issue that what I have already mentioned. In fact, the purpose of this issue is yet to be discussed.

You see, this article is about a massive inequity that exists in the spirit world. So don't stop reading until you fully understand why I talk about this massive inequity!!!

In the Brigham Young priesthood manual there is an article on the spirit world. Brigham Young did not write that article!!! Various authorities in the church wrote that article by piecing together various quotes by Brigham Young.

Given that Brigham Young has been in the spirit world for many decades as a major church leader, what would Brigham Young say today about the spirit world???!!!

I don't know. But what I do know is that Brigham Young certainly knows by now that the spirit world can be a utopia for some people or it can be a world that is beyond their worst nightmare for many other people!!! That is precisely what I will talk about in this article.

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The Basics Of The Spirit World After Death

A human being consists of a physical body and a spirit body. In fact, we existed as spirit beings long, long, long before we had a physical body!!! In fact, we attended a meeting that was held before Adam and Eve were put on this earth!!! Here is an article on the Grand Council which every human being (including you) attended:
Article: The Grand Council

It is very important to understand that Hitler, Stalin and Mao Zedong voted for Christ in the Grand Council!!! Otherwise these three men would never have been given a physical body!!!

So these three men passed the Grand Council test but all of them failed miserably in their life in mortality.

Just like the test of the Grand Council and the test in mortality are different kinds of tests, the test in mortality and the test in the spirit world are vastly different!!! There cannot be any dictators in the spirit world because there is no mass communications in the spirit world!!!

But ponder this also: Hitler is in the spirit world, so is Stalin and Mao Zedong, the Rockefellers (who I talk about in my cancer articles), Caligula, etc. etc.

It get's worse, when a person dies they may run into someone who died in 3,500 B.C. who was not righteous enough to resurrected after the resurrection of Christ!!!

Of course, those who have died after the resurrection of Christ, have not been resurrected as far as I know in my research.

 


What Happens When We Die???

When a person dies, their spirit stays right on this planet. We cannot see spirits until we die (unless Heavenly Father approves it), but those in the "spirit world" can see us and hear us in the physical world. Only once in my life have I seen someone in the spirit world and that was an emergency of all emergencies!!!!

Spirits cannot die, so there is no death in the spirit world.

Spirits can also travel at the speed of light anywhere they want to go.

Here is a key to remember: every person who:
1) has ever lived on this planet and died,
2) and has not been resurrected,
3) is in the spirit world.

One of the keys is that spirits can travel at the speed of light!!! So a spirit can go from Kansas City to an island in Norway in the blink of an eye!!! Or vice versa.

They can also go to the moon and I assume they can go to Mars where it is a bit cooler.

Spirits cannot die so Hitler and his henchmen won't be able to kill anyone. Nor will they be able to confine anyone to "prison" because anyone could easily get out of any "prison."

And there is no mass media. Sorry Goebbels.

My wife was born in Norway on the island of Vigra. She, and a friend of hers, joined the church and headed for Provo, Utah to find Mormon (i.e. Latter-Day Saint) husbands. Both did find husbands. My wife and I met in Provo Utah about a month before I left on my mission (this was about 1965). We were married two years later the day after I was released from my mision.

When my wife died in 2016, after 44 years of marriage, we were getting ready to move from Kansas to Missouri. She died when we were visiting relatives in Alabama in the midst of the move. At that time I was a temple worker in the Kansas City Temple on a leave of absence. So I got some good information from some of the other people who worked in the temple.

Spirits can travel at the speed of light. So when she died in Alabama, and became a spirit (without a physical body), she soon went to the island of Vigra, in Norway, to do missionary work for all of the people she had done genealogy and temple work for (which was a lot)!!! And there are many more of her "names" (i.e. those cleared for temple work) for those left behind in mortality to do!!!

I am sure it only takes her a second to go to Norway from Missouri and vice versa. And she has visited me many times since she died. While she can visit me any time she wants, I cannot see her or hear her talk unless Heavenly Father approves me seeing her and/or hearing her!!! He has never done that so I have never seen her spirit or heard her talk.

Only once in my life, that I know of, have I ever seen a spirit and quite frankly, at the time I did not know she was a spirit because she looked and dressed just like anyone else. The reason Heavenly Father let her appear to me and talk to me is that she had incredibly important, life changing information for me!!!!!!

You cannot believe how different my life would have been if Heavenly Father had not let me see her and listen to her information (her information included both my wife's name and more importantly - her telephone number, neither of which I knew at the time)!!!

Since my wife's death, my wife has visited me many times even though she lives in Norway (in the spirit world) and I live in Missouri.

Before she started coming to visit me I had left a note on my bed which had very large letters to let her know exactly what time I would be expecting her. Eventually she came and saw the note and she started to come at the time she knew I was wating for her.

After the first time she came, I never needed to leave a note again because I knew what it was like when she came.

But Heavenly Father has never approved me seeing her or hearing her, so she has to communicate with me by causing a tingling on my face (which she does to me) to let me know she is there. If I have a question for her, it has to be a "yes/no" type of question. If her answer is 'yes' she causes a tingling in my face. If the answer is 'no' my face does not tingle.

 


A Bigger Picture

Every person who has ever lived on this planet, and has died and has not been resurrected, is in the spirit world. Now remember that some of the spirits may be living on the moon or on Mars. I doubt anyone is living on Venus because that is a very hot place, but I don't know if anyone is living there. But the spirits are living somewhere as spirits.

So my wife could be friends with people who died before 3,000 B.C. on Vigra or anywhere else and eventually lived on Vigra!!!

After Christ was resurrected in 34 A.D., this is when the resurrection of normal people began!!! And only righteous people have been resurrected so far!!! I do not know of any other periods of resurrection.

At the Second Coming of Christ (which is also called Judgment Day), those who qualify for the Celestial Kingdom and Terrestrial Kingdom will be resurrected with Celestial bodies and they will live on this planet, which will become a Celestial planet. Everyone else (e.g. Hitler) will be resurrected a thousand years after the Second Coming. The wicked (telestial) will burn in hell for a thousand years during the Millennium on some other planet because this planet will be a Celestial Planet after the Second Coming.

After they "burn in hell" for the one thousand years (i.e. the millennium) on some other planet then they will be brought back to this planet to be resurrected. But they will not stay on this planet because it has been Celestialized. They will go to another planet which will not be as hot or as bad as the planet they were on during the Millennium.

But we don't know anything about what happens to the Sons of Perdition or the Like Unto The Son Of Perdition (see 3 Nephi 29:4-7). I have an article on this website which talks about "outer darkness" which may or may not be correct:
Article: Outer Darkness

Some of the people in the spirit world today, may have been born between Adam and Eve and Noah and his wife. If they are still in the spirit world, they were not righteous enough to be resurrected after Christ's resurrection.

In fact, shortly after Christ's resurrection, and the resurrection of the righteous (Celestial) and honorable (Terrestrial), there were no righteous people in the spirit world because all of the righteous and honorable people in the spirit world, at the time of Christ's resurrection, WERE RESURRECTED after Christ's resurrection!!

Soon came the Dark Ages where many millions of additional wicked people entered the spirit world!!! But even before the Dark Ages the spirit world was skewed towards evil because so many righteous and honorable people had been resurrected.

For example, when my wife died, she may have run into someone who died earlier than 3,000 B.C.!!! This person would have been a wicked person, by context (i.e. they were not righteous enough to be resurrected soon after Christ's resurrection).

So when a person dies today, and enters into the spirit world, they will be living in an environment which is SKEWED towards wicked people living in the spirit world, some of whom have been in the spirit world for thousands of years!!!

To no one's surprise, there is a massive, massive amount of missionary work going on right now in the spirit world!!! There are no "countries" in the spirit world to stop people from doing missionary work because there is no mass media, there are no prisons, there is no death of spirits, etc. There are no prisons because if a person was put in prison they could immediately escape by "jumping" to another country or to the moon, etc.

I would suspect that Hitler and Mao Zedong have some people who follow them around, but they cannot be forced to follow them around!!!

Since Christ's resurrection there has been a massive, massive amount of missionary work in the spirit world!!! And it continues today and it will continue until the Second Coming when Judgment Day arrives.

 


What A Spirit Looks Like

Before going on I should mention that the spirit of a person looks very, very much like their physical body looked like when they were about 19 years old. As I mention in other articles on this website, what a person looks like is a combination of three things:
1) What their spirit looks like (it is the spirit that controls cell divisions),
2) The DNA of the father of the baby will also affect the cell divisions, so the baby has features of the father,
3) The DNA of the mother of the baby will also affect the cell divisions, so the baby has features of the mother.

But the spirit of the person dominates what a human being looks like. And this would be a person about 19 years old or someone in their early twenties.

The first time I saw my wife in mortality I must have remembered her face from the premortal spirit world because I immediately wanted to get to know her and take her on a date!!! At the time I did not know this, but my wife and I knew each other in the pre-existant spirit world, meaning the spirit world before we were born into mortality which is not on this planet.

My article on the Grand Council talks about a meeting that all of us attended which had very, very, very important events during the meeting. This meeting occurred during the time all of us lived before Adam and Eve were put on this earth!!!!

I am sure in many, many cases when a couple first run into each other in mortality there is an immediate bond.

OK, now the bad news about the post-mortal spirit world, which is why this article exists!!

 


The Massive Inequity In The Spirit World

First, let me say that the unpardinable sin cannot be committed in the spirit world. Likewise, murder cannot be committed in the spirit world because spirits cannot die. According to the Ten Commandments right after murder is adultery. Using this as a guide, because murder cannot be committed in the spirit world, adultery and preaching false doctrines are the two most serious sins that can be committed in the spirit world.

But because spirits and physical bodies are not exactly alike, adultery in the spirit world would be better described as "when a couple that is not married are doing the same things that a married couple do."

OK, let us continue.

The post-mortal spirit world is not all it is cracked up to be!!! There are some serious inequities in the post-mortal spirit world!!!

Let us consider a strong (i.e. righteous) Latter-Day Saint couple where both of them were born to sixth generation strong Latter-Day Saint families. But let us suppose that the sixth generation couple is still in mortality and the prior five generations of their ancestors are in the spirit world living in the same general area (by context they are related to each other).

When one of these sixth generation strong Latter-Day Saint couple dies, they will almost certainly live with their parents or grandparents in the spirit world. The strong member of the church will be living with other strong members of the church in the spirit world!!!

What are the odds that this person (whose spouse is still in the physical world that we live in) will fall away from the church in the spirit world and will commit adultery in the spirit world??? The answer is almost ZERO!!! He or she (let us focus on the "she") will be living with strong members of the church while she waits for her husband to die.

Here is where the inequity comes into play.

Now let us consider a marriage of converts to the church in the physical world, one of which was born in America and the other was born in Norway (or Sweden or whatever). Let us say that both spouses were born and raised in a protestant religion in their native countries.

Now let us suppose that the husband joined the church in America (as a convert) and the wife joined the church in Sweden (as a convert). Let us suppose they met in Provo, Utah while attending college or they met when the man was getting ready to go on a mission for two years.

Let us assume that the couple gets married/sealed right after the husband-to-be gets off of his mission.

Now let us assume that the wife, during her lifetime, did a massive amount of genealogy and temple work for her relatives on the island she came from and that she dies after 45 years of marriage.

Her parents and grandparents, etc. will have died long before she died, so they are obviously already in the spirit world when she dies. But they were not members of the church which is precisely why she wants to go to this island. She wants to do missionary work for the people she did genealogy and temple work for.

However, let us assume that no one is strongly interested in the gospel on this small island. Norwegian's are pretty hard headed sometimes.

Now suppose that one man on the island in the spirit world is very interested in her (notice that I said her, not the gospel)!!! So over time he gets closer and closer to her and within a year or so, she has given up on preaching the gospel (due to a lack of interest in the gospel of her extended family) and desides to live with him in the spirit world. Over time her spirituality dries up and it would be impossible for a new person on the island not to think they were married because they are doing exactly the same things that married couples do while they are living together just like a married couple!!!!

Remember, there are no other members of the LDS church on the island (in the spirit world) to try and convince her not to commit adultery!!! In fact, everyone would likely think she was a little weird if she didn't live with him.

So for years the wife (i.e. the only Latter-Day Saint on the island) and her Norweign boyfriend live together and they do the same things that married couples do in the spirit world.

It is only a matter of time that her American husband, and the person she was sealed to in the temple, dies and enters the spirit world. But by then she will have zero interest in the church or in her husband or her children or her grandchildren!!! In other words, she is very happy living with her boyfriend and when her husband dies and goes to see her she kicks him off the island and sends him back to America in the spirit world.

One of the big questions is whether the fact they were sealed in the temple will somehow force her to go to America??? I don't have a clue.

 


Is This A Story Or Reality???

What I just described is exactly what has happened to my wife and I. I am still in mortality and my wife is living with a man in the spirit world. If someone from some other island, in the spirit world, saw them, they would think that these two peope were married.

When I die I will actually live in the spirit world in Provo, Utah with a cousin of mine who was a "sealer" in the Salt Lake temple. He is actually two generations ahead of me (he is a cousin of my grandmother). But it will take me a few weeks to get adjusted to the spirit world.

So about a month after I die I will go see my wife in Norway after talking to some temple sealers in the spirit world in Utah.

Will she come with me to Utah or will she kick me off of the island (as she did to my cousin when he visited her to find out why she was not visiting her husband)??? That is the whole point of this article. Because we are both converts to the church and because of the loss in spirituality due to her adultery in the spirit world she will probably not come back with me to Utah.

 


Where The Inequity In The Spirit World Comes Into Play: Case Two

Now let us consider a second married couple who are both sixth generation strong members of the church. Both bloodlines include three or four bishops and stake presidents.

Now suppose that the wife of the man, after 50 years of marriage, dies. Where is she going to live??? She is going to live with her parents in the spirit world, just like the Norwegian wife.

But in this case, the extended family of this woman are strong members of the LDS church instead of strong non-members!!!

This woman would live with her parents or one of her grandparents in the spirit world.

If some man in the spirit world tried to seduce her while she was waiting for her husband to die would she give into the seduction??? Not a chance!!! She is surrounded by strong members of the church. It would bring strong reactions from her father's side of the family and her mother's side of the family if she did commit adultlery in the spirit world while she was waiting for her husband to die and join her.

Here is the massive inequity.

In the first example, all of the people who live on that island are Lutherans and while they are good people, they are not phased by the wife shacking up with a man on the island. In fact, they would be delighted that she has a boyfriend to keep her happy while she is waiting for her husband to join her.

In the second example, everyone in the family would be horrified if the woman shacked up with a man other than her husband.

THAT IS THE GREAT INEQUALITY IN THE SPIRIT WORLD!!!

In one case the surrounding family and friends think it is great for their relative or friend to shack up with someone else.

In the other case the surrounding family and friends would be horrified if she shacked up with another man while she was waiting for her husband to die.

Here is my point: converts to the church, especially if they come from another country, can have a very different experience which can lead to a different outcome because of the attitudes of those people who surround her in the spirit world!!!!

There is not a snowballs chance in hell that the seventh generation Latter-Day Saint woman, who dies before her husband, will commit adultery in the spirit world!!! She is surrounded by strong members of the chuch and she would not want to disappoint them!!!

However, in my wife's case, she went by herself to an island which is hostile to the church which is a very strong Lutheran island (though that does not mean they go to church, if you understand the Norwegians), where everyone is not interested in the LDS church or their standards (I will not use the term hostile to the LDS church because they are good people).

So my wife has slowly gone downhill (spiritually) and by now she has become just like them and she has ended up living with a man that she is not married to and they are doing exactly the same things that married couples do in the spirit world (whatever that is, because spirits are built differently than people with physical bodies).

On the other hand, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that the woman who lives with several generations of good Latter-Day saints will commit adultery in the spirit world while waiting for her husband to die!!!

Do you understand the massive, massive inequity that I have been talking about!!!!

Both LDS husband and wife were strong members of the church, headed for the Celestial Kingdom when they died, but oh what a massive difference there is in where they lived in the spirit world between these two women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So can a person who is fully qualified for the celestial kingdom at the time of their death (male or female) fall away from the church and commit serious sins in the spirit world which would cause this person to end up in the Telestial Kingdom after the Second Coming of the Savior??? YES!!!

My point is that the phrase endure to the end does NOT mean endure to the end of your life, it means endure to the Second Coming of Christ (which is Judgment Day)!!!

Will my wife end up in the Celestial Kingdom??? Via a vision from Heavenly Father, the clear answer is: it is yet to be determined!!

As my temple president said (at the time of her death I was an ordinance worker in the Kansas City temple): adultery is adultery!!! I now know that he got it right, meaning that adultery in the spirit world is just as serious as adultery in the physical world!!!

I will die long before the Second Coming of Christ so you can rest assured that I, and my cousin (who is already in the spirit world), will do everything in our power to keep her from going to the Telestial Kingdom. I seriously doubt we will be successful because my cousin has already been kicked off her island once (by my wife).

If you understand everything that happens after the Second Coming of Christ (and I will not take the time to explain them), if she does not repent by the time of the Second Coming, after the Second Coming of Christ my wife and I will never be on the same planet again except for about 1/2 hour when she comes to this planet to be resurrected after the Millennium (and I will not see her during that 1/2 hour).

Here is my article on the Millennium (the first thousand years after the Second Coming of Christ):
Article: Millennium - Celestial And Terrestrial Beings

See also this article on this website:
Article: Resurrection

And see this article on this website:
Article: The Kingdoms After The Second Coming (study the articles that are linked to in this article)

The "Kingdoms" article that I just gave you also has links to scholarly articles (on the BYU website written by BYU scholars) on Judgment Day and the Millennium.

 


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